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Faeria Economy - Part 1

Posted by AcidFox on 22/05/2017

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What makes a deck good enough to be competitive? how can i determine the quality of a card by itself and how can i understand synergy between cards?

In this guide i'll try to explain and invite to an open debate about the creation of indicators that make clear for all of us what determine the quality of a card, deck and why the meta is well... the meta.

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Economy in faeria

Greetings/Disclaimer*

I´m starting this guide trying to explain what is economy, tempo & quality of cards in faeria, this is going to be a long way but i promise to update this guide with new findings and feedback from the community ASAP but you can check when was last updated so you can see the progress on this guide. sorry about grammar errors english isn´t my mother tongue.

Last update 2017-06-08 01:39:17 Thursday

Faeria is a deeply economic game basically ´cause you, from start to end, are continuosly making choices of investment, taking risk and trying to controlling it to your side of the balance. The main idea of this guide is to shed light on the Quality or Tier of each card, analyzing all it´s parameters like faeria cost,land requirements,power,life,card attributtes and risk. My work consist of giving community a better tool to understand the game´s meta/balance witch can help players in the task of building better decks and improving tactics & strategy; by the other hand also helping developers creating a common language between them and players about meta and cards itself.

i´ve noticed other guides talking a little bit about the faeria cost of cards and other relevant topics but i want to be exhaustive as possible with this guide and describe some guidelines to really understand how you are transforming 1,2, etc faeria into something else on the board that makes grow your economy and eventually winning the game.

Understanding Units "Faeria = Money"

First i would like to introduce some values for you, some of you may disagreee with the weight i´m giving to each of the items but trust me i´ll be more than happy to hear your feedback and arguments about the topic. The units i take for card attributes are based on reviewing its cost trough all cards (neutral & colored) trying to be the less arbitrary as possible. some units are easy to calculate as power or life with 0.5f / value or +2 life to player with 1f / value however taunt, charge dash, deathtouch and other attributes are a little bit tricky but i´m taking the same approach of comparing is value on differrent cards to find patterns of value.

Power wheel

  • +1 Faeria = 1f
  • Draw = 1f
  • Y,G,B,R land = 1f
  • Neutral land = 0.5f

Card attributes

  • Flying = 1f (every step you make above ocean count as 1f as you can use the power wheel for draw or haverst 1f)
  • Aquatic = 1f(same as flying)
  • Jump = 1f
  • Ranged = 1f
  • Haste = 1f
  • Charge = 1f/per box (starts from Charge{2})
  • Dash = 1f/per box (starts from Dash{2})
  • Move = 1f + 1f extra if charge/jump creature(i.e flash wind)
  • +1 player´s Life = 0.5f(i.e life+2 equals 1f)
  • +1 power = 0.5f
  • +1 life = 0.5f
    • so +2 power or +2 life = 1f (i.e campfire +1/+1 equals 1f)
  • deathtouch = 2f( but it depends of the faeria cost of sacrificed creature, cheaper sacrifices are more f )
  • protection = 3f
  • Taunt = 1f
  • 1 Damage to (creature,structure or player) = 0.5f
    • so 2 damage = 1f

What´s Quality or Tier? "a very complex formula"

we have a better aproach right now just for purposes of let you know earlier attempts i´ll leave the earlier versions here, if you want to know the actual formula just scroll down.

In faeria we have a lot of variables that can determine what is a good move and with time players have learn some valuable things about how improve it´s ingame investing decisions but ¿what does this really means?

invest/risk/reward

We have 3 important decisions per turn ingame on faeria:

  1. How to use the power wheel
  2. How much faeria spend this turn on cards (and yes! that includes asking what cards use)
  3. Where to place that particular card on the board.

This guide could shed light on this questions but in it´s core this is not a guide about strategy & tactics but card quality before being played on the board this doesn´t means i´m not touching those topics or taking them into account meaning that i´ll divide the guide on 2 main topics: one before board refering to card´s economy/quality itself and another refering to how putting a card on an especific place of the board can affect it´s economy/quality.

Invest This is easy in faeria you invest... well faeria and only faeria, no matter what kind of deck you are using it´s heavily influenced on how efective the faeria you invest on every card on your deck transforms into more faeria (i hope you noticed in the units chapter that damage to an enemy can be measured in yes! faeria 10f to be accurate) so the main goal of faeria is invest faeria in damage to your enemy // i´ll talk more about this later.


Risk We all know it´s not easy just to invest on a card that automatically drains all life from enemy in one turn and let you win the game. BUT this illustrates what risk is. Risk is all that can happen between your invest of faeria and receiving your reward wich in this case is victory.

So the ideal case in faeria is as follows: that you have 30 of the same card (lets say "X" card) that cost 0f/ it has no land requirements,event (so you don´t have to put it on the board) and its card attribute is gift "set your enemy´s life to 0" then you going first play this "X" card wich drain full life of your enemy and you won a very boring game.

so where is risk? let me split this for you.

  1. obtain card from your deck (less risk or max probability being 3/30 = 10% to more risk or min probability being 1/30 = 3.33%).
  2. pay the card´s cost of faeria (risk increases as turn/time passes risk decreases as you control faeria wells wich translates on less turn/time required or cards that let you obtain more faeria per turn)
  3. have land requirements specified on card (risk increases as more lands are required witch is translated in more turns/time and risk decreases as you build lands)
  4. time you need to obtain card attribute (gift,haste,production,attack a god,end of turn or enemy turn etc this risk increases as more time/turns is needed to obtain the benefit and risk decreases as you received the benefit earlier)
  5. where you put a card on the board(risk increases as you put it on a place where the card cannot obtain extra faeria that is to say collect from a well, trade with another card and as a result you obtain more faeria than your oponent, or attack a god wich is to say it transforms attack on faeria; decreases as you do the opposite) See Reward Please.

Reward This can be explained as simple as "win more faeria than my opponent and translate this extra faeria on damage to the opponent´s orb faster than my enemy" i.e. I can have 20f invested on creatures all around the board and obtaining extra faeria per turn but if my opponent manage to invest 10f on creatures and obtain 10f extra from damage to my orb their 20f will be more rewarding than my 30f or 40f and yeah losing on tears my game.

Tier Formula "or i want free faeria"

Here you´ll have some aproximations to meassure the quality of a card by itself with its strenghts and weakneses and the current formula at the end.

Tier formula v 1.0

Tier(T) = ({power+life}/faeriaCost)+cardAttributes

this first version tend to exagerate some statistics and cannot determine value for 0 faeria cost cards, also it gives a value around 2 as a standart wich is problematic... old days fortunately.

Werezerg Tier formula v 1.0

Tier(T) = {power+life+cardAttributes}/faeriaCost+{0.5*landRequirements}+1f

Werezerg suggest a new formula that tries to integrate the land requirements and other things but this one have 3 main issues 1.units are not normalized, 2. the +1f/ at the end of the formula to avoid the 0 divide error just besmirch the formula also being innecesary and 3. the total number this formula gives is not as transparent as my formula basically ´cause my formula explicits how much extra faeria you are obtaining while werezerg´s formula don´t. even though im leaving his idea here in case someone sees something useful.

Tier formula V2.0(current)

I´ve been thinking about how to improve the formula as result of not being capable of calculate the events with 0 faeria cost cards and other attributes that just make the formula broke because you cannot divide by 0 so the solution i came up whith is this one, i´ll try to explain some things that i think may be confusing (i´ll try to be as clear as posible) about the units and how i assume its value in faeria. so lets go:

v1.0 baby steps... Tier(T) = ({power+life}/faeriaCost)+cardAttributes

Werezerg v 1.5 trying is to be brave... Tier(T) = {power+life+cardAttributes}/faeriaCost+{0.5*landRequirements}+1f


v2.0 now we´re talking... T(x) = ({[p + l] * 0.5} - F) + C

where X is a card, T = card tier, p = card power, l = card life, 0.5 adjust each p & l unit to their real cost of faeria, F = card´s faeria cost, C = card attributes.

for dummies:

Tier(card) = ({[power + life] * 0.5} - Faeria_cost) + Card_Attributes

before using it let me explain some points.

  1. This formula lets you know how much extra faeria a card is giving you above the faeria cost. (i.e a card with 3 faeria cost and 3 power / 3 life, no card attributes is equal to 0, you are paying for what you are receving period).
  2. this formula does not includes land requirements but i'm working on a risk indicator to add to this formula that not only includes land requirements but also includes specific conditions like attacking a god, be patiente i´ll make it public as soon as i can so we can improve it together .
  3. i´m also working on a synergy indicator to add to the formula wich basically attempt to generate clear relationships between cards through some labels, same as risk indicator wait for it.

Ok let's apply this new formular with the windstorm charger previous example.

example 1 - windstorm charger

Windstorm Charger

v2.0 Tier(T) = ({[power+life]*0.5} - Faeria cost) + cardAttributes

case 1: play 3 events.

windstormCharger(T) = ({[2+4]0.5} - 3f) + chargeX2 (1f) + gain+2/+0* (3f).

windstormCharger(T) = ({[6]0.5} - 3f) + chargeX2 (1f) + gain+2/+0* (3f).

windstormCharger(T) = ({3f} - 3f) + chargeX2 (21) + gain+2/+0 (3f).

windstormCharger(T) = (0f) + chargeX2 (1f) + gain+2/+0 (3f).

windstormCharger(T) = 0f + 1f + 3f.

windstormCharger(T) = 4f (maximum value playing 3 events)

vs minimum windstorm charger

case 2: play 0 events

windstormCharger(T) = (0f) + chargeX2 (1f) + gain+2/+0 (0f).

windstormCharger(T) = 1f (minimum value playing 0 events)

windstormCharger 3 events T = 4f extra & windstormCharger 0 events T = 1f extra ... and thats why you can lose so easily against a well played windstorm charger as it is capable of obtain faeria cost for free ´cause of its attributes. While an enemy have to spend 3 faeria to obtain the +6/+0 extra damage and 2 faeria to obtain the charge you can have this for free with certain amount of risk or synergy requirements (remember this risk & synergy indicator is being developt rigth now)

example 2 - flash wind (0 faeria cost cards)

flash wind

v2.0 Tier(T) = ({[power+life]*0.5} - Faeria cost) + cardAttributes

case 1: move ally

flashWind(T) = ({[0+0]*0.5} - 0) + move (1f)

flashWind(T) = ({0} - 0) + move (1f)

flashWind(T) = 0f + 1f

flashWind(T) = 1f

case 2: move enemy

flashWind(T) = ({[0+0]*0.5} - 3f) + move (1f)

flashWind(T) = ({0} - 3f) + move (1f)

flashWind(T) = -3f + 1f

flashWind(T) = -2f

Note: the case 2 is pretty interesting cause it depends strongly on how you use the card to make it valuable e.g if you have a creature taunting (1f) an ally creature and also this enemy card is close to harvest faeria (1f). if you manage to move away the enemy from the faeria well while untaunting your creature then you'll gain the plus 2F and make the card worth its faeria cost, even better if your creature can harvest as a result of the flash wind (1f). Try to think about similar circumstances for case 1.

So as you can see this new formula seems to do the job so much better than the previous one giving you a clearer indicator of how much faeria you are gaining and also letting you calculate the card's real value even in cards with 0f cost.

Hope you enjoy this intro to the guide and use the formula to build better decks. if you want to see a practical example of a deck build with the formula you can take a look at my Y Flying mid-range/control, i´ve introduce the charger to a flying control deck to take advantage of charger quality. but you can also make use of sunsilk faeria economy to win easily through the high risk high reward investment.

Have fun!!!

Vaalhallan 22/05/2017 07:23

This is some quality data gathering. I'm personally not sure what the application for it is yet, but I'm interested in seeing where you take it from here. Looking forward to Future updates

Boss_Smiley 22/05/2017 18:01

I think it's a really good idea to have a discussion/guide of what makes powerful cards powerful, how to spot and use them, etc. but I think that the straight economic approach has some issues.

I'm guessing you've taken neutrals and coloured cards without abilities as a baseline, which I think would be the way to go but there are a lot of card elements that are very difficult to categorize without context. Land cost seems like the most obvious to me, Thyrian Golem is an amazing deal under your system (7.5 value for 5) but this is balanced by requiring 5 forests, which means it can't run well in many decks.

Synergy based abilities are also very difficult to 'price out' in this manner, windstorm charger being a great example because in a deck with zero events there is a lot less reason to run it whereas strong stats for cheap will always be useful. You rate it's pump ability as adding +3 faeria worth, but I'm not sure how you got there, and I think it's hard to rate accurately because it's strength depends on the strength of the cards that you're using to facilitate it (like how sac outlets vary depending on how cheap and useful the sacrificed creature is).

Overall, I think a discussion of why powerful cards are as powerful as they are, and why some cards are weak even though they might not seem it, but I think that a purely mathematical discussion approach is less preferable than a hybrid math/strategy discussion approach.

AcidFox 24/05/2017 18:43

hi there vaalhallan & Boss Smiley thanks for the reply, basically right now i´m working on two indicators that i hope complement the base equation. those 2 indicators are one corresponding to risk wich include land requirements, or effects that require particular conditions(attack a god, (draw a event or having enemy pieces on the board think about doomsday for example.) the other indicator is Synergy which rely on how card atributtes generate faeria, think about how drakkar being a 2/4 creature and 4 cost faeria needs a least 1 flying creature draw to obtain the (+1/+1) 1 faeria cost bonus to really make it worth you'll need 2 flying creatures draw. So a good example of synergy will be drakkar/iona's smile wich automatically acomplished drakkar objective and even better for each drakar you have on the board but we can go further with sunsilk faerie reducing the risk of the sunsilk faeria of dying before draw an event and obtain the (+3/+1) 2 faeria cost bonus . so as you can see risk and synergy are things that seems correlated. i´m trying to make a whole equation that take in account those indicators as factors wait for it i would like to hear your opinion or suggestions about this guys.

Werezerg 25/05/2017 13:04

Hi.
i always liked this approach in hearthstone, good idea to do the same in faeria!
I would like to point out a few issues in your post though:
1) the units are chose inconsistent, 1f is used as faeria cost and value/faeria cost (the cardattributes). If you assign f as faeria cost then the attribute things should read 1/f. In your example you end up with 1/f + f + f and suddenly switch the 2/f to 2f.
2) i would put the cardAttribute value inside the bracket and also divide it by the faeria cost, otherwise the cardattributes are x times more valuable for creatures which cost x times more faeria.
3) this also leads to your extreme evaluation of the windstorm charger. Since you did not divide the value of gain+2/0 through the faeria cost it generates as much value as a +9 higher attack would give. That is obviously nonsense. I guess your intention was to put it inside the bracket than it would generate as much value as +3 attack which would be more reasonable (still not sure about that).
4) your conclusion is confusing as well, the charger is not doubling the cost, but rather provides 3 faeria of value/1 faeria cost according to your calculation.
So in conclusion i would rather suggest:
value 2 attack + 4 life + 1 for charge + 3 for gain+2/0 gives overall 10 value
10 value/3 faeria cost = 3.33 value/faeria cost
other creatures like syland warrior would have
3 attack + 6 life/ 5 faeria =1.8 value/ faeria cost, which is clearly worse. (but does not have land reqs)

AcidFox 26/05/2017 06:25

Hi there Werezerg i also noticed what you were talking about the units and i was just today iworking on a new formula and i found one that seems pretty interesting and i think improves my formula and the one you are suggestion let me update the formula for you on the main post and let me know what do you think.

DoigteurFou 30/05/2017 21:47

I don't understand what this is useful for, but you did obviously put some efforts in.

Also, your approach doesn't take into account the board. It's a well known fact in chess that where the piece is placed on the board greatly affect its value (they call this concept "piece activity"). The same concept exists here in faeria. The value of charge X is NOT proportionnal to X, as a well positionned charge 2 unit will dominate the relevant parts of the board almost as well as a charge 3 unit. Also, we can in normal conditions make only 2 lands max per turn, so we allways have the option to let our charge 2 unit move to the max of its reach, while we may not have the opportunity to use the full charge 3 of a creature even if we needed it (think magnus).

You also didn't take into account the land requirement in the evaluation of a card. It is extremely important as the less land requirements and the more easily you will be able to place your creature on an active tile (the more the game goes on and the more areas of tension exist on the board, often tactically preventing to drop creatures there). Dash is a very strong ability in this regard. You can't really compare it to charge as they affect the board in a very different way.

tl;dr: I think you are missing way too much variables to get to anything useful.

AcidFox 01/06/2017 21:04

Greetings DougteurFou i'll try to reply to every point you made; this guide is useful, as the description says, to throw light on this questions "What makes a deck good enough to be competitive? how can i determine the quality of a card by itself and how can i understand synergy between cards? " also "In this guide i'll try to explain and invite to an open debate about the creation of indicators that make clear for all of us what determine the quality of a card, deck and why the meta is well... the meta." So as you can see this is useful ´cause you can build better decks, understanding the quality of the cards itself that compound a deck witch basically could explain the current meta.

your second point about piece activity has never implied in this approach and for a good reason: this guide is about economy rather than strategy, or tactics, even if this concepts have a direct impact over them, i.e this concepts improve how you approach to tactics an strategy cause this concepts let you understand what are you investing on the board and what are the possible rewards of playing that card; by the other hand this guide as not referring to strategy and tactics implies the player knows how to use the card in an optimal way (that´s the reason why this is an intermediate-advanced guide and not a basic guide but can help beginner players a lot though)

your third point about land requirement is answered here "this formula does not includes land requirements but i'm working on a risk indicator to add to this formula that not only includes land requirements but also includes specific conditions like attacking a god, be patiente i´ll make it public as soon as i can so we can improve it together ." and here "the units i take for card attributes are based on reviewing its cost trough all cards (neutral & colored) trying to be the less arbitrary as possible. some units are easy to calculate as power or life with 0.5f value or +2 life to player with 1f value; taunt, charge dash, deathtouch and other attributes are a little bit tricky but i´m taking a first approach comparing is value on differrent cards; i´ll write a whole chapter about this."

your fourth point about this being useful well you can give a shot to your decks or meta decks and evaluate with this formula their quality i have a data base that i will share when is finished containing all cards their tier and a lot of information, i am a programmer and my intention is to improve the deck builder for beginners (that's another reason more why this is useful) i have just published 1 deck in this guide as a tangible example this deck is not in the meta as a convention but it took me to god rank with ease when i never played that deck before so i think i'm doing something right even the limitations that you pointed out and ,trust me, a lot more that i'm addressing right now. so if you want something practical i invite you to catch the data base on github https://github.com/abrakam/Faeria_Cards aply this formula and create new decks or evaluate exiting ones for your own use. Finally i want to say that every suggestion that improves the formula is welcome really really welcome! so thanks for your comments i´ll continue doing my best to imporve this formula and its indicators.

Werezerg 02/06/2017 08:56

Hi AcidFox,

didnt see the update, the forum post didnt change i think.
So here a few comments:

a) i still think the formula should look different. Value/cost makes a lot more sense, value-cost will overvalue big creatures. E.g. if a 4f creature will give you 1f extra value i would say the card is about as good as a 8f creature which gives you 2f extra and not any worse. It is more important how much extra f you can generate per faeria not per card. Although the value of the card should not be ignored as well, and there is an easy solution how to make a logical formula which gives you the extra value/investment taking the value of the card into account and avoiding the problem you mentioned. You just have to add +1 to the faeria cost, since the value of 1 card is roughly 1f, now you will no longer divide by 0.
b) suggested formula:
(life+attack+cardattributes)/(faeriacost+0.5*land req.+1f for the card)
That is an easy and logical formula, you can tweak prefactors to your liking but i am convinced this should be the basis.
c) as much as i love formulas as a physicist, i do not think this is useful for anything more than a rough estimate of the value of a card taken in a vacuum without taking the situation into account. So you can generate some tier list for pandora for example. But people still need to use their own brain to evaluate situational cards and it will never be realistic to apply this to strongly situational cards or even entire competitive decks, there is way too much to consider.

AcidFox 03/06/2017 08:51

Werezerg Hi! i wanna give to you a gift is a copy od the whole faeria card database with the current formula v2.0 u really appreciate your feed back so with this tool i think you can help me a lot my email is cahernandezac@gmail.com if you can share a gmail with me i'll be glad to share my work with you.

Sulphur 03/06/2017 09:37

I've seen similar discussions made a few times on the Faeria Discord server. But never with such enthusiasm and math behind it, with a little help I think you could make a comprehensive formula that gives card values. Unfortunately I'm not great at math so I'll leave you with a warning, the power wheel is not the end-all be-all towards creating this formula, there's far too many factors in the game-state to make "1 faeria = 1 card draw = 1 special land = 2 neutral lands" true even half of the turns you could choose one of those options.

It's dependent on land placement from both sides(early on land placement is considerably more important than any other option, also when the opponent is threatening to make their first aggressive land),
matchup from both decks(an all neutral deck would have no need of special lands, also vs a slower deck it's more important to double neutral early to try and get aggressive lands),
hand size and quality(quality is a little vague but that's what we're working to fix right?) from both players,
current board advantage(This also affects whether a slower play like a verduran force is better than a faster play like a flame burst)

And probably a few other factors I can't think of, so always keep in mind how often an ability could be used or a 1attack or health statline will matter or how much a card costs or how it's uses coincide with card advantage(failed experiment + lore thief is a 1f two card cycle but it's harder to pull off than just using shifting tide, at the same time against anything but a red deck lore thief on it's own can often collect twice to make it cost 1 overall making it easier to use and better than the FE + lore thief combo)

Finally some people might think these factors wouldn't affect the formula, but when these factors account for more than half of all turns played in each game, I would say that it should at the very least be accounted for.

Edit: I think the hardest part of this will be comparing each card's uses(Factoring in literally everything) to each other card's uses in the game, considering that eventually there will be new cards with new stats and new costs and new uses to compare to.

DoigteurFou 04/06/2017 05:04

Hi AcidFox.
I'm sorry, your answer didn't convince me at all. All you said was "this is useful and good because it is useful and good".
If you manage to use your formula to refine existing decks, I'd be impressed and I'd change my mind. This just seems like a tool to watch things that already work, and doesn't help to build something new that works. In other words, it doesn't seem to me useful at all for a player, it might be useful for an analyst, I suppose, if for some reason an analyst needs a formula to know if a card is good...

The problem is faeria is not a game of card quality, it's a board game before being a card game. Your card's quality directly depends on what the card is achieving on the board. I'd rather have a ruby fish double collecting over a windstorm charger on the wrong side of the board.

AcidFox 06/06/2017 20:06

DoigteurFou bro! i reply to all your queries if you didn´t find it useful it is not because this it's not (i saw tangible results of this and other people saw it too) i pointed you out towards improving the formula thanks to testing and im pretty sure you didn't even download the github database is not enough to say you're wrong and i am right also is not enough to attack something particular or specific with a lot of generalizations, i invited people to make improvements about this formula and their empirical experiences about this and i´ve received positive feedback and specific limitations that im addressing right now. i hope to update the guide as soon as possible with the updates. as i told you before i know that faeria is a board game and involves a lot of variables im working on this for everyone and for free and im remain open to opinions and suggestions hopefully that help us all advanced with this task instead of just complaint about it´s limitations

AcidFox 08/06/2017 00:34

Sulphur im taking note of all you are saying thank you so much i really appreciate your suggestions. Werezerg im taking in account your points a) valu/cost vs value - cost, b)your suggested formula (il play with it on my database and see how it behaves) and c) the situational game im making a faeria BOARD economy to complement the current guide.

DoigteurFou 10/06/2017 00:50

Okay, let's answer spcifically then:

So as you can see this is useful ´cause you can build better decks, understanding the quality of the cards itself that compound a deck witch basically could explain the current meta.<

No it would be useful it it fulfilled this objective, but it didn't yet. And the criticisms I offered you are explanations as to why, in my opnion, it doesn't yet fulfill these objectives. Your answer here just says it is useful ebcause you are convinced of your work, which is not a bad thing in itself. It is not, however, a valid jsutification of anything.

your second point about piece activity has never implied in this approach and for a good reason: this guide is about economy rather than strategy, or tactics, even if this concepts have a direct impact over them < (and all the text that follows)
And this is the reason why I don't see how these formulas can be anything useful to a practical player at high level: it doesn't take into account 75% of wins or loses a game. and i'm sorry but what a beginner player needs to get better is not a formula to assess cards, but practice.

your third point about land requirement is answered here "this formula does not includes land requirements but i'm working on a risk indicator to add to this formula that not only includes land requirements <

This is exactly my criticism, it's not included. The fact that you will do something in a future work doesn't magically make this article and formulas useful to the practical player. Maybe it will, in the future, but as of what was presented to me it isn't.

i have just published 1 deck in this guide as a tangible example this deck is not in the meta as a convention but it took me to god rank with ease <

Is that your justification for the worth of this approach? Reaching godrank? Last month there were almost 900 godrank players for a number of active players around 1500.
But okay, if you "feel you are doing something right" when you play it it's likely scientific enough to reject every point showed to you.


I didn't want to answer specifically to your whole post because I didn't want to sound harsh. Your work and dedication is admirable and I find it encouraging that we still have people interested in the theoric aspects of games. However if you stay blind to every point brought to you, and keep working without a method, I'm afraid you will have a very hard time getting somewhere concrete with your work.

I'm talking about the method because Faeria is a board game before everything, and economy is only one of the aspects that dictates how the game go. If one wants to theorize the game, he needs to first make an attempted lists of the elements all of the game that need to be modelized, and then modelize them in an accurate order. For example, in faeria the amount of ressources you get is dependent on the state of the board. It means you can't have a description of the economy in faeria only looking at the cards and not taking into account board states. Even moreso if your goal is to be able to "rate" full decklists.

Now I'm sorry, I won't answer anymore because I don't want this discussion to become a fight. I have explained my points and have nothing to add. You may delete this message, or dismiss the information I included there as me being an ass, or ignorant, or whatever. Or you could try to understand if maybe there is at least one sentence that might be helpful to you. In any case, I have no control over what you will do with my message, I let it up to you.

AcidFox 11/06/2017 03:48

DoigteurFou i´ll try to address your suggestions i don´t now if you read the updates to the guide but i think im answering to some of your complaints, and yep nobody is fighting i hope you came here someday and pick something useful for free, meanwhile ill continue working also for free to give something useful to the community. have fun!

Klaxus 19/06/2017 05:35

I suggest introducing the concept of 'The cards ifself being a resource'. I propose giving each card a -1f, in order to better calculate its value. For example when you use flash wind, its not actually free, you may have only used 0 faeria but you've also used the 'card itself' which you had to draw using 1f (the power wheel you mentioned). With this theory, it could be said that every turn you get 3f and a draw(1f) a total of 4f, and when you use a card you use its cost+innate cost(1f). Again with the flash wind, it seems to be 0 cost but in my theory you add its innate value, becoming 1cost. And just as in your guide this equals the value calculated by your mechanics. So in order to accurately calculate its tier list you should take a -1f to your mechanics.
P.S. This also explains why Yellow Events is so strong, for they use multiple cards to gain its innate resoure (1f per card) + the faeria they have accumulated so far in a single turn, effectively gaining faeria advantage over the enemy

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